I have always looked down upon staged wrestling. Pro wrestling entertained me when I was 12, but since then I have not looked back with a great deal of nostalgia. When I discovered personals sites devoted to wrestling, I thought that the attention devoted to people wanting to "pro" wrestle weird. To me, engaging in an athletic "performance" with a predetermined outcome and improvised holds and moves is boring. However, I understand that other people find greater appeal in that, and each to his own.

So there is a divide between competitive wrestling and "pro" wrestling, whether you call the former freestyle, MMA, rough action, submission, etc. The former can range from pro fantasy to "stiff" pro, but it does not matter to me what you call it, its not competitive. I think it is important to state clearly what you do up front. If I see a guy who talks about pro all over his profile, I would not assume that he would be into competitive. But if he is, he should be explicit. And vice versa. These days, even some people into "submission" wrestling may only be interested in those submissions that are prearranged.

But there are these terms "jobber" and "heel" that get thrown around in both spheres. In pro wrestling, the terms are well-understood. A "heel" is the bad guy and a "jobber" is there to take a staged beating. Some competitive wrestlers have also taken to the term. A "heel" is someone who expects to dominate and a "jobber" is someone who expects to be dominated, ideally. Some competitive heels tend to take matches with obviously smaller, weaker, less experienced wrestlers. I admit to being guilty of this, although its mostly by circumstances than design because there are few opponents in my area who are as big as I am. A "jobber" may seek out a bigger, stronger wrestler, acknowledging that he will most likely lose to that wrestler. In this sense, he is a submissive. In an encounter between opponents where the matches are one-sided, the "heel" and the "jobber" become apparent. But in my matches which fall into this dynamic, the heel has to earn a submission and sometimes the jobber can turn the tables, at least for a tap.

But many people enjoy switching, taking on heels when they can get them and jobbers otherwise. In one of my previous posts, I stated that I let the jobber get some of his own back by letting him engage in one-sided gut punching, with me being on the receiving end. I do not consider this pro or staged because each and every one of those punches are real and my opponent never knows when I may pounce to try and take him down. Since I am testing my physical and mental limits, as well as my opponent's, this is still competitive in a different way.

What most irks me is this "please don't hurt me attitude" I read in some profiles. I tend to view this as a kind of "bait and switch", a wrestler who says he will engage in "light" submission but the encounter will seem much like a series of pro matches. There is always a risk of injury in real competitive wrestling, even without body punches. If that is the kind of wrestling you are into, then we will not meet.

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Last edited on 8/09/2012 4:45 AM by Wrestling Beast
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Sturdy (31)

8/09/2012 6:38 AM

When I started meeting guys to wrestle I looked at their profiles to see if they were submission or pro, understanding the difference... Or thinking I did! For a long time I assumed that if a guy says he likes submission wrestling then he is a proper, competitive wrestler, but this is not the case because 99% of guys on the site indicate that they are into submission, but the vast majority of them are only into it as a fetish.

Only by using the word 'competitive' can you indicate that when you say wrestling, you do actually mean wrestling, not sexual pretend fighting.

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Guysmiley (41 )

8/09/2012 4:58 PM

Excellent post, Wrestling Beast. So many are not clear on what they are looking for, and worse, what they expect from meeting up. I often put submission, but agree with you that I should say competitive. Pretty much says it all. I too am not into the "pro" or "pro-fantasy", though I don't mind some erotic mixed in as well if the situation is right. Thanks for starting some of us thinking on the subject.

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RhodyRaybo (100)

8/10/2012 3:31 AM

I'm always happy to job for you Wrestling Beast!

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RowdyMike (15 )

8/12/2012 5:49 PM

I like a lot of different kinds of matches with different kinds of guys. The trouble is putting that all down on a profile without getting "pegged." Will gladly admit that I like going after bigger, skilled "monsters" and taking a thrashing, but I'm not a starfish either. But if I find a guy who is much more evenly matched, then I'm going to work him for everything he's got until one of us comes out the other side battered, bruised, and broken.

I think it depends a little on context. If you're 280 and the guy who approaches you is 150, well he's going to have a hard time moving you off the mat in a competitive match!

Bottom line, it pays to negotiate. Nobody is a mind reader.

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