Actually I haven't but that doesn't mean it won't happen. I think I can only acknowledge to myself that it's a possibility and deal with it when it happens.
However, I'm not sure I'm correctly interpreting what you mean by "backfire," Spiro. Do you mean that I'm wrestling someone who "gives" very quickly so I never seem to wear them down or do you mean someone who either breaks free of the hold or who just never seems to submit?
For me, I’d rather work a hold nice and slow. If you get a quick submission you haven’t worn down your opponent enough to make it easier to maneuver him into other submission holds of your choice and continue to play/torment him. He’s relatively “fresh” and can still gain an advantage on you and you’ll find yourself as the one being played with.
I find that working a hold slowly, studying his body language in response to each increase in intensity to gauge whether he’s about to submit, backing off on the intensity a bit if you think he’s about to give and letting him suffer nice and long wears him down physically and psychologically. That makes him more pliable to play with in other holds.
Psychologically, this strategy can be maddening for the guy trapped in a hold. By keeping him just shy of giving you’re holding out the futile hope that he can figure a way out and reverse the situation. He figures, “If I can just endure this agony a little more I can wiggle out of this.” As the minutes drag by and he’s sweating profusely, you can feel his resistance start to falter.
At this point you can lessen the intensity a fraction and rekindle his futile hope of escape and wear him down further. This also allows you to explore all the nuances of the hold being used. Perhaps it’s shifting his body slightly left or right, or up or down which suddenly finds him in increased agony. You can then study how he reacts to the increased pain and get a better handle on his limits to play with him further.
Adding a bit of verbal abuse can really add greatly to his misery. He doesn’t want to give and feel like a wimp so you play on that idea. For example, you can tell him how he’s only experienced a fraction of the punishment you can inflict on him in this hold. Or, you can tell him that you’re going to expand his pain threshold and demonstrate that by keeping him at one level of pain for a while to let him get accustomed to it and then increasing the intensity just a fraction and holding it there only to continue the cycle over and over again can really make him howl. Of course, you can begin to rhythmically bring him up and down the pain scale by increasing the intensity just up to his submission level and bringing him right down again. This gives him the false hope that you’re at the limit of what punishment you can give him and if he just hangs on a little longer he can reverse the situation.
Deep down inside he probably knows that’s not the case which only adds to his psychological misery.
Eventually, he’s going to submit when it finally dawns on him he has now way of escaping and needs to end the pain. Now, you’ve weakened him quite a bit—physically and mentally—thus making him more controllable and you can then maneuver him into another of your “pet” holds and lead him on his journey into pain.
This strategy has worked for me many times especially with holds that don’t require a lot of constant strength to keep applied like spladles and splits, reverse rollup pins and the like.
What do you think of this strategy? Do you think it would work for you? Do you have any ideas how I might improve on it? What hold do you think would work employing this strategy?
Anyone in or traveling to the Myrtle Beach SC, or Wilmington NC areas that wants to work this "strategy" on me, I am definitely game !!!
I'm also in Manhattan a few times a year !!!
Spiro45 (11)
10/24/2015 12:09 AMA very well thought out strategy. Do you ever find that the plan backfires becuase you tried to draw a hold out for too long?
SqueezeUGood (10)
10/24/2015 6:22 AM(In reply to this)
Actually I haven't but that doesn't mean it won't happen. I think I can only acknowledge to myself that it's a possibility and deal with it when it happens.
However, I'm not sure I'm correctly interpreting what you mean by "backfire," Spiro. Do you mean that I'm wrestling someone who "gives" very quickly so I never seem to wear them down or do you mean someone who either breaks free of the hold or who just never seems to submit?
Spiro45 (11)
10/24/2015 4:47 PM(In reply to this)
I meant someone who breaks free nd retaliates, so you answered my question perfectly.
SqueezeUGood (10)
10/23/2015 5:35 PMWhat do you prefer?
For me, I’d rather work a hold nice and slow. If you get a quick submission you haven’t worn down your opponent enough to make it easier to maneuver him into other submission holds of your choice and continue to play/torment him. He’s relatively “fresh” and can still gain an advantage on you and you’ll find yourself as the one being played with.
I find that working a hold slowly, studying his body language in response to each increase in intensity to gauge whether he’s about to submit, backing off on the intensity a bit if you think he’s about to give and letting him suffer nice and long wears him down physically and psychologically. That makes him more pliable to play with in other holds.
Psychologically, this strategy can be maddening for the guy trapped in a hold. By keeping him just shy of giving you’re holding out the futile hope that he can figure a way out and reverse the situation. He figures, “If I can just endure this agony a little more I can wiggle out of this.” As the minutes drag by and he’s sweating profusely, you can feel his resistance start to falter.
At this point you can lessen the intensity a fraction and rekindle his futile hope of escape and wear him down further. This also allows you to explore all the nuances of the hold being used. Perhaps it’s shifting his body slightly left or right, or up or down which suddenly finds him in increased agony. You can then study how he reacts to the increased pain and get a better handle on his limits to play with him further.
Adding a bit of verbal abuse can really add greatly to his misery. He doesn’t want to give and feel like a wimp so you play on that idea. For example, you can tell him how he’s only experienced a fraction of the punishment you can inflict on him in this hold. Or, you can tell him that you’re going to expand his pain threshold and demonstrate that by keeping him at one level of pain for a while to let him get accustomed to it and then increasing the intensity just a fraction and holding it there only to continue the cycle over and over again can really make him howl. Of course, you can begin to rhythmically bring him up and down the pain scale by increasing the intensity just up to his submission level and bringing him right down again. This gives him the false hope that you’re at the limit of what punishment you can give him and if he just hangs on a little longer he can reverse the situation.
Deep down inside he probably knows that’s not the case which only adds to his psychological misery.
Eventually, he’s going to submit when it finally dawns on him he has now way of escaping and needs to end the pain. Now, you’ve weakened him quite a bit—physically and mentally—thus making him more controllable and you can then maneuver him into another of your “pet” holds and lead him on his journey into pain.
This strategy has worked for me many times especially with holds that don’t require a lot of constant strength to keep applied like spladles and splits, reverse rollup pins and the like.
What do you think of this strategy? Do you think it would work for you? Do you have any ideas how I might improve on it? What hold do you think would work employing this strategy?
zbobsled (0)
11/04/2017 9:05 PM(In reply to this)
A good strategy...
ultimatescissorsjobber (2)
7/17/2017 4:12 PM(In reply to this)
Awesome, if you ever travel this way I want to let you lock me in a head scissors & have all the fun you want working it long & slow !!
SqueezeUGood (10)
7/17/2017 4:56 PM(In reply to this)
Let me know when you visit NYC. Perhaps we can meet then.
Feather (21 )
7/16/2017 6:11 PM(In reply to this)
God！It is hot！！！
SqueezeUGood (10)
10/14/2017 6:50 AM(In reply to this)
Thanks Feather.
I apologize for not responding promptly to your message but this is the first time I've been on this site for over two months (illness).
wressinglet (16)
10/27/2015 3:47 AM(In reply to this)
Ready to meet you.
ultimatescissorsjobber (2)
10/26/2015 2:16 PM(In reply to this)
Anyone in or traveling to the Myrtle Beach SC, or Wilmington NC areas that wants to work this "strategy" on me, I am definitely game !!!
I'm also in Manhattan a few times a year !!!
calwrestler (140)
10/25/2015 9:36 PM(In reply to this)
that works well with a hammerlock !